|
Замеры, регулировка, точность хода
Обратил внимание, что в спецификациях ETA указаны кое какие подробности
Цитата:
Adjusting mark - непонятно, значение похоже на выкачку, какой смысл несет? Stabilization - по идее, это время, которое нужно выдержать прежде чем снимать показания. Integration - это время время интерполяции значений, что бы исключить ненужные флуктуации прибора. 95% калибров в партии должны соответствовать указанным допускам. Теоретически, не более 1/20 кривого калибра в поставке. Замеры должны выполняться считая от полного завода (0 часов) спустя 1..3 часа. Далее сведения о регулировке L888.3 он же A31.L02 Elabore Цитата:
Если по тем 4-м позициям, что указаны в спецификации, то пространство для манёвра довольно широкое. Например, -10 +6 +6 +7 дают среднее +3 :eek: При этом "Max. divergence" получается +7-(-10) = 17, что так же в пределах нормы. Изохронизм - если часы за сутки потеряют целых 15 секунд, это тоже будет нормой. Но что бы такое произошло, ход после 24 часов должен ухудшиться более чем на 30 секунд. Это если предположить, что деградация точности линейная. :confused: Какое-то очень широкое поле для интерпретации, объясняет, почему люди всегда ломали и ломают копья по поводу точности. |
Цитата:
Но если прикинуть "для себя" с целью оценки меха прибретенных/носимых часов - все и так видно и просто, особенно если часов разных хотя бы штук 10 есть на руках - для сравнения. К примеру, 2824 у меня уже довольно долго ходит "в ниточку" с минимальным + в сутки, хорошая амплитуда. При этом от смены позиций - расхождения не критичны. Сеечные мехи - уже попроще, если выкачка - скорее дело настройки, то вот отсутствие такой же стабильности в разных положениях - вполне показатель уровня меха. А если Восток положить - там вообще полная отсебятина. От смены положений разница бывает и в 20-30 секунд. На практике почти все удалось выставить очень близко к нулю - пока носим "замедляется", когда ночью лежат "ускоряется" ход. Но если день выдался особенно активным или часы не брал - погрешность сразу заметно отличается. Я это к чему - приняв какие-то свои часы за эталон, остальные весьма просто сравнивать с ними....пока не появится денег на новый эталон :) П.С. о том, что после полного завода надо выдержать 1-3 часа - не знал. Заводил полностью и мерял. |
Цитата:
|
Нашел один сайт интересный, точнее, обнаружил раздел на известном сайте, куда выкладывают статьи с некоторыми интересными сведениями. В частности, замерами суточного хода часов различных брендов.
Статьи большей частью уже недоступны, а покупать подписку ради такой суеты както не очень, потому обзор сильно ограничен. Как ни странно, впечатлил десятидневник Hublot - стабильные результаты по итогам 7 дней(В самом конце). Абсолютно не впечатлили Panerai P.4000, Cartier. Десятидневник Oris просто опаскудился - такие результаты это почти что оскорбление! Итого, ниже доступное на сегодняшний день. В начале Certina поверматик и Longines, для разогреву, и TAG Heuer Monza. Это что бы посмотреть на что же годится ETA со своим Elabore. Потом все интересное. Certina Powermatic - почти 2824 Elabore https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ce...price-buy-usa/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +4 Dial down +2 Crown up +8 Crown down +4 Crown left +8 Crown right -1 Greatest deviation 9 Average deviation +4.2 Average amplitude: Flat positions 328° Hanging positions 265° Longines: A08.L11 Elabore https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/th...and-then-some/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, with chronograph switched off/on): Dial up +9 / +7 Dial down +10 / +8 Crown up +5 / +3 Crown down +3 / +2 Crown left +6 / +4 Crown right +3 / +2 Greatest deviation of rate 7 / 6 Average deviation +6 / +4.3 Average amplitude: Flat positions 313° / 302° Hanging positions 284° / 273° Tag Heuer ETA 2894 Elabore https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/re...za-calibre-17/ Rate results (deviations in seconds per 24 hours, with chronograph switched off/on) Dial up +2 / -1 Dial down +11 / +7 Crown up +1 / 0 Crown down +6 / +4 Crown left +6 / +6 Crown right +1 / -1 Greatest deviation of rate 10 / 8 Average deviation +4.5 / +2.5 Average amplitude: Flat positions 310° / 291° Hanging positions 282° / 259° Cartier 1904-CH MC https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/we...r-chronograph/ Rate results (deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours) Dial up +7.6/+4.6 Dial down +7.8/+2.7 Crown up -2.0/+0.8 Crown down +5.3/+5.7 Crown left -1.7/0.0 Greatest deviation of rate 9.8/5.7 Average deviation +3.4/+2.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 316°/296° Hanging positions 264°/253° 1904 MC https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...calibre-diver/ Rate results – Deviations in seconds per 24 hours (Fully wound/after 24 hours) Dial up +9.4 / +10.8 Dial down +9.9 / +7.9 Crown up +4.9 / +7.5 Crown down +7.3 / +12.4 Crown left +4.8 / +9.1 Crown right +6.4 / +7.8 Greatest deviation of rate 5.1 / 4.9 Average deviation +7.1 / +9.2 Average amplitude: Flat positions 304° / 276° Hanging positions 272° / 252° Омега 8806 - согласно требованиям, двойной контроль COSC(механизм) и METAS(готовое изделие) https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ra...er-railmaster/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +4.5 / +4.1 Dial down +4.5 / +4.4 Crown up +1.4 / +3.2 Crown down +5.3 / +5.6 Crown left +4.2 / +4.6 Greatest deviation 3.9 / 2.4 Average deviation +4.0 / +4.4 Average amplitude: Flat positions 294° / 285° Hanging positions 259° / 250° 9900 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ch...master-racing/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +1 / 0 Dial down +3 / +3 Crown up +1 / +1 Crown down +1 / +1 Crown left +2 / +2 Crown right +1 / +1 Greatest deviation 2 / 3 Average deviation +1.5 / +1.3 Average amplitude: Flat positions 261° / 265° Hanging positions 246° / 246° 8500 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/si...omega-ploprof/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +1 Dial down +2 Crown up +1 Crown down 0 Crown left +3 Crown right +2 Greatest deviation of rate: 3 Average deviation: +1.5 Average amplitude: Flat positions 275° Hanging positions 276° Брейтлинг Breitling 17 он же ЕТА 2824 Cost https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ba...reitling-colt/ Rate results: Deviations in seconds per 24 hours (Fully wound / after 24 hours) Dial up -2.3 / -3.8 Dial down +3.3 / -0.4 Crown up -1.2 / -1.9 Crown down +1.4 / +8.5 Crown left -1.1 / -1.4 Greatest deviation of rate 5.6 / 12.3 Average deviation 0.0 / +0.2 Average amplitude: Flat positions 316° / 357° Hanging positions 288° / 230° Breitling 01 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ti...hronograph-42/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): On the wrist +2.25 Dial up +1.7 / +1.7 Dial down +2.0 / +2.4 Crown up +2.6 / +0.8 Crown down +3.3 / +5.1 Crown left +0.8 / +2.4 Greatest deviation 2.5 / 4.3 Average deviation +2.1 / +2.5 Average amplitude: Flat positions 311° / 284° Hanging positions 277° / 251° B03 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/se...r-rattrapante/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +0.5 / +1.6 Dial down +3.3 / +5.0 Crown up +5.5 / +5.9 Crown down +2.7 / +6.3 Crown left +7.0 / +8.4 Greatest deviation 6.5 / 6.8 Average deviation +3.8 / +5.4 Average amplitude: Flat positions 301° / 281° Hanging positions 280° / 257° Ролекс 3132 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/cl...olex-explorer/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +7 Dial down +6 Crown up +5 Crown down 0 Crown left +4 Crown right 0 Greatest deviation of rate. 7 Average deviation: 3.7 Mean amplitude: Flat positions 296° Hanging positions 263° 3132 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/a-...-perpetual-39/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +2 Dial down +2 Crown up 0 Crown down -1 Crown left -5 Crown right +2 Greatest deviation of rate 7 Average deviation 0 Average amplitude: Flat positions 293° Hanging positions 263° 3135 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/sw...-yacht-master/ Rate results: Deviations in seconds per 24 hours (Fully wound / after 24 hours) Dial up +3.1 / +2.9 Dial down +2.1 / +3.2 Crown up -0.7 / -1.6 Crown down -0.8 / -2.6 Crown left +2.5 / +2.6 Greatest deviation of rate 3.9 / 5.8 Average deviation +1.2 / +0.9 Average amplitude: Flat positions 292° / 265° Hanging positions 247° / 233° Тюдор МТ5652 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/we...black-bay-gmt/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): On the wrist +0.6 Dial up +4.4 / +4.9 Dial down +1.2 / +1.8 Crown up +0.1 / +1.5 Crown down +0.0 / +0.3 Crown left -1.5 / +1.8 Greatest deviation 5.9 / 4.6 Average deviation +0.8 / +2.1 Average amplitude: Flat positions 279° / 266° Hanging positions 253° / 227° MT5813 он же Breitling 01 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/li...y-chronograph/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours (Fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up: +2.1 / +0.9 Dial down: +4.7 / +3.1 Crown up: –0.6 / –4.3 Crown down: –0.8 / +0.4 Crown left: 0 / –0.2 Greatest deviation: 5.5 / 7.4 Average deviation: +1.1 / 0 Average amplitude: Flat positions 315° / 299° Hanging positions 290° / 270° MT5602 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/de...lack-bay-dark/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +3 Dial down 0 Crown up +1 Crown down +3 Crown left +3 Crown right -1 Greatest deviation 4 Average deviation +1.5 Average amplitude: Flat positions 290° Hanging positions 252° Patek Caliber CH 28-520 C https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/aq...t-chronograph/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Simulated wear test +/- 0.0 Dial up +2.0 / +2.2 Dial down +4.7 / +4.5 Crown up -3.2 / -3.6 Crown down +1.4 / +1.2 Crown left -2.3 / -1.4 Crown right -1.2 / -4.4 Greatest deviation 7.9 / 8.1 Average deviation +0.2 / -0.3 Average amplitude: Flat positions 300° / 279° Hanging positions 261° / 242° Oris Десятидневник Caliber 114 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ar...t-calibre-114/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +16.4 /+15.9 Dial down +13.3 /+11.4 Crown up +3.8 /+2.2 Crown down +2.5 /+2.3 Crown left +4.9 /+3.4 Greatest deviation 13.9 /13.7 Average deviation +8.2 /+7.0 Average amplitude: Flat positions 306° / 299° Hanging positions 267° / 263° Baume&Mercier BM12-1975A COSC https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/gr...fton-baumatic/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours) Dial up +3.4 / +3.7 Dial down +5.6 / +5.5 Crown up +3.3 / +2.6 Crown down +0.9 / +0.7 Crown left +1.5 / +1.1 Greatest deviation 4.7 / 4.8 Average deviation +2.9 / +2.7 Average amplitude: Flat positions 316° / 309° Hanging positions 291° / 291° Panerai P.4000 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/lu...i-luminor-due/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours) Dial up — +11.1 / +5.2 Dial down — +12.5 / +8.9 Crown up — +2.5 / +2.7 Crown down — +0.6 / -3.1 Crown left — +2.8 / +2.6 Greatest deviation — 11.9 / 12.0 Average deviation — +5.9 / +3.3 Average amplitude: Flat positions — 303° / 278° Hanging positions — 260° / 226° PAM01389 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ic...-days-titanio/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +6 Dial down +5 Crown up +3 Crown down -4 Crown left -1 Crown right +1 Greatest deviation 10 Average deviation +1.3 Average amplitude: Flat positions 258° Hanging positions 237° PAM00320 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/na...50-3-days-gmt/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +6 Dial down +6 Crown up +1 Crown down +2 Crown left +4 Crown right +3 Greatest deviation of rate: 5 Average deviation: +3.7 Mean amplitude: Flat positions 331° Hanging positions 291° Chopard 03.05-C https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/no...-race-edition/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up: +3.3 / -1.7 Dial down: +6.4 / +5.6 Crown up: +5.3 / +3.8 Crown down: +3.1 / +3.9 Crown left: +4.0 / +7.1 Greatest deviation: 3.3 / 8.8 Average deviation: +4.4 / +3.7 Average amplitude: Flat positions: 328° / 296° Hanging positions: 287° / 263° Hublot Десятидневник Caliber HUB1201 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ti...-bang-meca-10/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, after 12 hours/4 days/7 days) Dial up +3 / +3 / +3 Dial down +4 / +1 / 0 Crown up +5 / +3 / -2 Crown down -2 / -4 / -7 Crown left +4 / +3 / -3 Crown right -4 / -6 / -8 Greatest deviation 9 / 9 / 11 Average deviation +1.7 / 0 / -2.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 324° / 301° / 267° Hanging positions 250° / 229° / 202° |
Еще немного замеров с того же сайта.
Ролекс 3235 https://www.watchtime.com/featured/a...x-sea-dweller/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up: +2 Dial down: +1 Crown up: -2 Crown down: +1 Crown left: +1 Crown right: -2 Greatest deviation: 4 Average deviation: +0.2 Average amplitude: Flat positions: 286° Hanging positions: 252° Lange & Söhne L051.2 - отличная стабильность хода! https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/re...e-1815-updown/ Rate results: (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound and after 24/48/70 hours) Dial up +3.8/+5.3/+4.2/+3.5 Dial down -1.6/-0.2/-1.4/-1.2 Crown up -3.6/+1.8/-1.3/-1.6 Crown down +2.5/+5.1/+3.5/+2.5 Crown left +2.6/+5.3/+2.0/-0.1 Crown right +0.4/+3.0/+1.4/+0.4 Greatest deviation of rate 7.4/5.5/5.6/5.1 Average deviation +0.7/+3.4/+1.4/+0.6 Average amplitude: Flat positions 290°/267°/282°/308° Hanging positions 257°/231°/247°/270° F.P. Journe 1304 - самый стабильный ход! https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/so...tre-souverain/ Rate results: (Deviations in seconds per day, fully wound and after 26 hours of running time) Dial up +2/+2 Dial down +6/+6 Crown up +6/+4 Crown down +4/+3 Crown left +2/+1 Crown right +7/+7 Greatest deviation: 5/6 Average deviation: +4.5 /+3.8 Mean amplitude: Flat positions 319°/305° Hanging positions 294°/280° |
А старичок 2824 не плох!
|
Цитата:
2. Амплитуда у калибра Ланге под конец з/х даже увеличилась: 290>>267>>282>>308 -- такого в жизни нет. Но может 308>>290>>282>>267... Явная ошибка в порядке цифр. |
Продолжаем. Сейчас начнем с IWC. Я лично этот бренд не люблю, тем не менее замеры есть замеры :-) Далее Montblanc, TAG Heuer и Jaeger LeCoultre
IWC 89760 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ch...r-chronograph/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): On the wrist +1.6 Dial up +4.1/+3.4 Dial down +4.7/+3.8 Crown up +0.6 -0.1 Crown down +1.4/+1.4 Crown left +2.0/+0.8 Greatest deviation 4.1/3.9 Average deviation +2.6/+1.9 Average amplitude: Flat positions 308°/296° Hanging positions 278°/261° 69370 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/cl...lf-caracciola/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +1 / +4 Dial down +1 / +4 Crown up +3 / +6 Crown down +3 / +5 Crown left +5 / +9 Crown right +5 / +8 Greatest deviation 4 / 5 Average deviation +3 /+ 6 Average amplitude: Flat positions 276° / 248° Hanging positions 254° / 221° 30750 based on the automatic ETA 2892-A2 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...rbis-terrarum/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +0.5 / +2.5 Dial down -2.4 / +0.3 Crown up +0.9 / +1.3 Crown down +1.6 / +2.7 Crown left +0.5 / +2.3 Greatest deviation of rate 4.0 / 2.4 Average deviation +0.2 / +1.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 323°/ 280° Hanging positions 286° / 244° Montblanc SW-300 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...rbis-terrarum/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +4.7 / +5.2 Dial down +9.7 / +8.5 Crown up +1.5 / -0.1 Crown down +7.6 / +2.9 Crown left +7.1 / +0.7 Greatest deviation of rate 8.2 / 8.6 Average deviation +6.1 / +3.4 Average amplitude: Flat positions 312° / 282° Hanging positions 272°/ 245° TAG Heuer Caliber 11 - Sellita SW 300 “premium”-grade with Dubois Dépraz module DD 2006 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...steve-mcqueen/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, with chronograph switched off/on) Dial up +5 / +5 Dial down +6 / +5 Crown up –2 / –2 Crown down +8 / +8 Crown left +6 / +5 Crown right –3 / –4 Greatest deviation of rate 11 / 12 Average deviation +3.3 / +2.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 294° / 290° Hanging positions 271° / 260° Jaeger LeCoultre Caliber 770 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...c-true-second/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up -1.0/+6.0 Dial down -2.0/+6.0 Crown up +4.0/+6.0 Crown down -1.0/+3.0 Crown left +6.0/+ 9.0 Greatest deviation of rate 8.0/6.0 Average deviation +1.2/+6.0 Average amplitude: Flat positions 289°/230° Hanging positions 251°/ 207° Как то не впечатляет старичок ЖеЖе Caliber 751A/1 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/ge...lanc-rieussec/ Rate results: (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours) With chronograph switched off / on Dial up: +12 / +10 Dial down: +8 / +6 Crown up: 0 / -1 Crown down: -4 / -5 Crown left: -3 / -2 Crown right: 0 / -1 Greatest deviation of rate: 16 / 15 Average deviation: +2.2 / +1.2 Caliber 956 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/wa...aster-memovox/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up – 4 Dial down – 3 Crown up – 6 Crown down + 2 Crown left 0 Crown right – 3 Greatest deviation of rate 8 Average deviation – 2.3 Mean amplitude: Flat positions 270° Hanging positions 231° |
Tutima
Tutima T 521, based on ETA/ Valjoux 7750 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/fu...r-chronograph/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours, Fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up: -0.3/ +1.7 Dial down: +1.0 / +3.6 Crown up: +3.5 / +4.3 Crown down: +4.3 / +6.0 Crown left: +4.3 / +4.8 Greatest deviation: 4.6 / 4.3 Average deviation: +2.6 / +4.1 Average amplitude: Flat positions: 321° / 292° Hanging positions: 290° / 262° Весьма неплохой результат на фоне грандов(или "грандов" ?). Nomos DUW 3001 Один из лучших результатов, кстати говоря! https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/th...atik-reviewed/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up +0.2 / +6.0 Dial down +1.0 / +3.5 Crown up +0.7 / +3.0 Crown down -1.3 / -3.5 Crown left -0.4 / +4.6 Greatest deviation of rate 2.3 / 9.5 Average deviation +0.0 / +2.7 Average amplitude: Flat positions 306° / 268° Hanging positions 270° / 230° DUW 6101 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/no...tobahn-review/ Rate results (deviation in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound/after 24 hours): Dial up -2.4 / +0.1 Dial down +6.5 / +10.5 Crown up +4.6 / +10.0 Crown down +3.5 / +5.3 Crown left +3.9 / +13.0 Crown right +6.0 / +8.0 Greatest deviation 8.9 / 12.9 Average deviation +3.7 / +7.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 313° / 276° Hanging positions 275° / 238° И еще один Поверматик. Вполне себе годные результаты, особенно сравнивая с Oris и ЖеЖе :-) Жалко, нет динамики... Hamilton H-30 https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/th...urop-day-date/ Rate results (Deviations in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +5 Dial down +4 Crown up -2 Crown down +2 Crown left +2 Crown right -4 Greatest deviation of rate 9 Average deviation +1.2 Average amplitude: Flat positions 261° Hanging positions 235° |
Интересный механизм - два барабана и неплохая стабильность спустя сутки.
MeisterSinger in-house Caliber MSH01 by Synergies Horlogères, two barrels https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/on...er-circularis/ Rate results (deviations in seconds per 24 hours, fully wound / after 24 hours): Dial up 0 / 0 Dial down +6 / +6 Crown up +9 / +9 Crown down 0 / +2 Crown left +9 / +10 Greatest deviation of rate 9 / 10 Average deviation + 4.8 / +5.4 Average amplitude: Flat positions 305° / 286° Hanging positions 286° / 255° Еще Омега на калибре 8806. https://www.watchtime.com/reviews/di...black-ceramic/ Rate results (Deviation in seconds per 24 hours): Dial up +5 Dial down +3 Crown up +4 Crown down +4 Crown left +4 Crown right +3 Greatest deviation 2 Average deviation +3.8 Average amplitude: Flat positions 304° Hanging positions 273° |
Часовой пояс UTC +3, время: 22:10. |