Ранний фузейник с будильником и самобоем Johann Paull Pfleger of Augsburg
 

Немецкий фузейник. К сожалению по мастеру инфы пока не нашёл.
Судя по схеме построения хода, это примерно 1675-1685 год. Стрелки приводятся в движение от вала улитки фузеи.

Интересные. А они работают? Вот бы бой послушать.

Милые часики!;) Главное - почти всё присутствует, стучать будут.

УУУ завидую! Очень интересный час. Изучал с удовольствием. Пока держу свободнуют ячейку на нечто подобное. Самое раннее из имеющихся у меня лишь четвертной репетир конца 17 начала 18 веков:
http://www.horology.ru/rest/repeat.htm

http://www.horology.ru/TZ/rep/02.jpg

В принципе бой, ход рабочие, требуют регулировки, чистки, небольшого ремонта.
Бой простой, созвучен с боем каминных или каретных часов по колокольчику.

Мех изнутри.
Цепь в сравнении с цепью от английских часов 1791 года.

Игорь, поздравляю! Музейная вещица!

сумашедшая вещь

Конечно сохран чумовой. И как я его упустил...

Наверное мало предлагали.
На те средства что я затратил за эти часы, на ebay можно было купить с десяток простых английских фузейников года 1800, а такой экземпляр даже для ebay не частый гость.

Игорь, спасибо!!! Немногие форумчане за последнее время радовали нас подлинными раритетами.
Смотрю на Ваши часы, а сам вспоминаю время тогда по незнанию выкинул фузейную цепь в мусорное ведро. В наказание, с той поры, ни один фузейник мне так и не попался...

По производителю немогу найти инфы, знакомые в европе тоже разводят руками, может кто из уважаемых форумчан владеет информацией?

Игорь, обалденная вещь, ну как после такого ЖАБА не задавит!!!!

Игорь, напиши что написано на мехе, не разборчиво…

Насколько я смог разобрать, это Johann Paullpfle der Aug.
Paull Pfle ger Aug.

Нашёл немного инфы по производителю. Европа помогла.

Движение подписан Иоганн (ака Ганс) Пол Pfleger в Аугсбурге, Германия. Считается, что родился ок 1633 и умер 1704 году. Стал независимым часовщиком в 1667.

Вот так класс! Игорь поздравляю от души и от души радуюсь за тебя! 17й век - офигеть!!!

Дима, спасибо!
Уже есть предположения что это 1670-1680 года.
Первоночально часы имели баланс большего размера и мост баланса крепился на противоположной стороне, остались два отверстия под направляющие штифты. Впоследствии в 1700-1710 годах при массовой модернизации устаревших часов без балансирной спирали бали заменены мост баланса, установлен баланс со спиралью, регулятор tompion , в тоже время был заменён цифер из-за появления минутной стрелки.

упс... очень интересный вид переделки. После появления спирали практически через 3 года большинство часов было модифицировано. Вот уж реальный скачок 1675 года...одно из самых важных событий в часовой индустрии.

Вот рассуждения одного Канадского любителя часов, переводить не стал, чтобы не переврать текст https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/please-...ovement.53818/

Igor, I see you have received some help from Peter already. From his information, he is likely using the same reference I have (Abeler).

Yes, the watch was signed as Johann(e) Paull Pfleger of Augsburg - the other spelling Peter used, "Johann (aka Hans) Paul(us) Pfleger" is from Abeler's entry, probably based on the way this maker's name was signed on the table clock mentioned by Abeler in his book. Spellings of names often varied a bit on clocks and watches from those times. And of course, there was no nation of Germany at the time so Augsburg would have simply been part of Bayern (Bavaria).

Your watch is interesting because it is German from late 17C, quite small and has 3-trains. If in original condition, such a watch would be very important. Even in its modified condition, the watch is still important because there are very few watches of this kind from that period and the work itself is quite complex and well-executed.

It's unfortunate it has been modified but not everyone recognized and respected such quality of work in the old days. From the lower quality appearance of the modifications, I estimate the cock, regulator and replaced countwheel were installed between 1750 and 1780 by a second or third owner. I do not believe the first owner would have allowed this watch to be marred by such lower quality workmanship. Some of the wheels also show a different colour of brass and may be replacements but appear to be in keeping with the rest of the wheels. The watch may also have been damaged in an accident or may have been lost and acquired by someone else who could not afford top-class workmanship and just wanted to get the watch working.

The modifications are merely functional and are several grades below the workmanship of the original maker. However, the watch probably worked well because its owners sought to have it serviced. Judging by the large protective caps around the winding holes, the winding holes in the bell and pierced case were probably added later. It would have been rather silly to do all the fret work only to plaster 2 large caps over the intricate design. Owners were expected to admire the fretwork and open the back cover to wind the movement. An outer case would have been used to protect the watch. The outer cases were often decorated with silver inlay and tortoiseshell during that period.

The dial appears to be a replacement, rather sloppily applied with screws. But at least its size appears to match the movement. The brass(?) alarm disc may have been an attempt to match the style of the chapter ring as the style of the numbering looks similar but the engraving is not as refined as the champlevé markings on the silver champlevé dial. And of course, the alarm disc should probably have been "champlevé silver" like the chapter ring and not "engraved brass".

IMO, this is a very nice collector's piece. If you are wondering about where to find a watchmaker to service and restore this watch, I would suggest someone in the UK, Switzerland, the Netherlands or Germany. Try this weblink -> The Horology Source. Proper restoration will not be cheap but if done with 1st class workmanship you will not have problems finding a buyer - a German (Bavarian) buyer would likely be the most appreciative.

Thank you for sharing your beautiful watch with us!


Michael

Ну и что Вы ему ответили?

Ответил что такая корова нужна самому:D

А в отношении сервиса и реставрации?:)

В отношении сервиса и реставрации обойдусь своими силами, может быть не так быстро и качественно как у первокласных европейских мастеров.
Да и стоить это у них будет довольно дорого, плюс заморочка с пересылкой может возникнуть, так что пусть дома лежит, есть не просит.

Может кому интересно продолжение

Igor, thanks for the nice additional photos. They are quite interesting to look at and learn from.

I hate to do this but sometimes I have to make corrections to my earlier statements.

I located a small number of watches that may be similar to yours. In a couple of instances, the pierced cases had floral and foliate designs which coincided with the winding holes - the holes were located right in the middle of a flower or a swirl of leaves. This would tend to imply the holes were originally designed to be there. When I look at your watch case, I see what may have been attempts to stabilize damaged areas of the pierced silver casing. I suspect the "big" caps over the winding holes were placed over damaged areas of the case to prevent those areas from falling apart. Depending on what the original design of the case is like around the holes, your watch's case may well have been designed with holes for the winding arbors.

My second correction has to do with the dial on your watch. While the styling of the markers and the chapter ring appears similar to much later dials, this design was also present on some watches that were dated to the early 1680s. In addition, there was a short period in the late 17C when gilded engraved alarm discs were used with chased silver or other types of dials (this may have developed from the same style of alarm discs used on Renaissance clocks and watche). Since the numbering on the alarm disc matches those on the chapter ring, I would say the alarm disc is probably original to the chapter ring. I don't know exactly why someone inserted the screws on the chapter ring and on the alarm disc but you may be able to answer this question when you look under them. If the screws are used to secure the dial to the watch plate and you also find other holes that are now orphaned, then the dial is probably a substitute. But if the dial is secured to the watch plate without orphaned holes then the dial is almost certainly original.

I am also trying to remember when the casemakers switched to this style of pendant from the earlier style which was just a pierced ball and a bow. I'll have to get to that later.

As for values, we cannot discuss that directly. I can only say you bought it at a very good price. IMO, a good way to figure out how to restore such a piece is to take your time to research and slowly solve each of the little mysteries along the way. Eventually, you will come to an overall picture of what the watch probably looked like originally. This is what makes collecting such items so interesting. One watch which shows some resemblance to this watch is the coachwatch by Goullon à Paris, ca. 1660 which was in lot 71 of the Sandberg Collection auction by Antiquorum in 31st March,1st April, 2001 but that watch has a movement Ø of 70 mm. That's one of the reasons why your watch is so interesting.

BTW, I also collect carriage clocks. It would be nice to see your clocks too.


Michael