Сообщение от hwa
(Сообщение 40271410)
A point of Ocean Rover history for those new to the Ginault game: unlike WUS rules, which (albeit selectively enforced) don't allow posts to be changed so that history may be preserved, Ginault's website dramatically was edited in the jetwash of numerous posts in a number of "review" threads on both F74 and F71 that were highly critical of Ginault's exaggerated, false, misleading, and/or fantastical claims. If mods make me, I'll happily footnote each of those claims, but the "false" part is the genesis of this post: they claim to be Made in the USA, they admitted already that it's not, even if it MAY be assembled in the USA, yet they continue to ship watches with the Made in USA case back despite earlier stating that they were going to produce new ones.
This thread is but the latest of the paid-for advertising--doesn't matter if the watch was sold before the review was posted, the watch was bought at better than 50% discount in exchange for a review, and that's as good as bought, regardless of whether the review was positive or negative. Interestingly, the range of opinion here is pretty much the same as it was on F74 and F71. F74, however, is not a Sub-heavy forum, despite it being a dive forum and despite the Sub's obvious place in the pantheon of dive watches. Probably because at 40mm, it's too small to attract much of a following among modern dive watch fans. On F71, where much traffic relates to the Sub and Sub homages in particular--go BSHT!--there's a similar range of heated opinions going both ways. In BSHT, we've mostly ignored the Ginault because it's divisive and we're not looking for battles in that spot. If the Ginault keeps getting shoved in our faces, we'll see how that one goes.
So, here we are, and where exactly is that? Ginault got caught with its hand in the cookie jar, making utterly false claims that it was "Made in USA," which it most definitely was/is NOT. Argue about the value of the law all you want; under the law as it exists, it's a false claim. Why do I point this out, today? Because Ginault's defense to that problem was to admit the error and promise to send new case backs omitting that claim. Ginault stated that the Made in USA case backs were leftovers from its first release from several years ago, the aptly named "BM1". For an "American Made" watch, it's pretty funny that Ginault chose for its 1:1 copy with the cloned ETA engine the well-known acronym for "Bowel Movement," augmented with the #1, for its first release! LMAO! But I digress.
My point for chiming in here, now, is that OP's pics show--unless I'm mistaken--that Ginault released another version of the Ocean Rover AFTER all this provenance brouhaha blew up, STILL USING THE MADE IN USA case back. What the bloody hell? I know Ginault is a sponsor here on WUS, but my goodness it's mind-numbing that the mods come after those of us who would point out Ginault's wrongdoing--it ain't wrong to make an homage, even a great quality homage, it's wrong knowingly to continue to flout the law--but seem to have no beef with Ginault's continuing to flout a law that it already acknowledges it broke. Now, apologies to Ginault if they sent OP's 16610 copy (the cyclops dilutes the claim that it's other than a 1:1 copy, no?) BEFORE recognizing that they don't qualify to use the "Made in USA" tag line, but that whole thing blew up before any announced release of OP's cyclops version, so I'm thinking Ginault, like Rhett Butler, frankly doesn't give a damn.
And that, in a nutshell, is why I sold my copy after writing my review over on F71. If all you care about is the quality of the watch, and you think a watch with an ETA2824 clone is worth $1300 because ... regulated, go ahead and buy it. Just know that you're buying from a company that generates more questions than answers.
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